Egregores, Spiritual Rebellion, and Collective Spirituality with Amanda Baudier

In this episode of CosmicRX Radio, we sit down with spiritual teacher Amanda Baudier to discuss how to navigate this moment of collective rebirthing and disorientation. Amanda shares her unique journey from the dark side of New York City’s elite nightlife to her current work as a coach for startup founders and spiritual leaders. Together, they explore the intersection of spirituality and real-world politics, the concept of collective energy bodies known as egregores, and why now is the time for integrated spirituality.

Amanda Baudier is a spiritual teacher, somatic healer, and coach for high-integrity entrepreneurs who genuinely walks the talk. After experiencing burnout and heart surgery at age 28 despite being a yoga teacher and executive , Amanda became obsessed with the nervous system and trauma healing. She now weaves practical business strategy with deep personal development and spiritual tools to help founders navigate the "dark night of the soul" that comes with launching a startup.

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Key Takeaways:

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• Understanding Egregores
• Moving Beyond Manifestation
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Madi Murphy: 0:52

Welcome to cosmic RX radio, a podcast that gives you real life tools of spiritual empowerment and pure hype. I'm your host and intuitive guide. Maddie Murphy, I'll be serving up your weekly energy readings, cosmic boss interviews and Astro inspiration. Are you ready to love yourself more, manifest your dream life and own your magic? Let's jump in. Welcome, Amanda to our first ever IRL cosmic RX radio episode.

Amanda Baudier: 1:21

I'm so honored to be IRL number one. Like, really, truly, truly honored, I know. And I

Madi Murphy: 1:27

think the reason why I was so excited to have you on is I feel like we are kindred spirits, aka, I said I fuck with you, and your philosophy is an outlook in life, and we're gonna have a conversation today. And I think sometimes when we talk about, like, I talk to people in the spiritual community, or I read or absorb other spiritual content, it's in some ways not weird enough for me and also not practical enough somehow. So we're gonna go to like, those extreme ends of the spectrum today, specifically about a little bit like, how to meet this moment we're in. TM, these times. TM, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So before we do that, would you just mind, for people who don't have the absolute pleasure of knowing you, just giving like, a quick little intro, it's like, who you are and your big three, of course. Oh, of course.

Amanda Baudier: 2:11

Okay, so Hi, I'm Amanda bodier. I'm a spiritual teacher. I coach startup founders who are generally going through some sort of crisis, because they always are. I am the founder of becoming collective, which is a rooted spiritual community. And we'll talk more about what that means today. My big three. I am a Capricorn, sun, Aries, Moon, Virgo rising. But I also have a Sagittarius stellium, which explains a lot, which is, again,

Madi Murphy: 2:37

why I fuck with you, because we are grounded, we're rooted, but we also have the fire this little spice. So this is like a perfect lead in to what I kind of want to go over today in terms of, like, high level Virgo admin. For anyone listening, is like, I think everyone right now is confused, overwhelmed, in maybe sliding between like despair, dissociation, complete disorientation. But I know you and I are two of the people who are like, we're in this moment, and we're not gonna not call out the shit that sucks, right, and call it by name, but we're also like, hey, we both believe we're in a tremendous rebirthing, right in the joyful reimagining, which we tap into. Yeah. But I do want to talk a little bit about how we got here more from a spiritual, energetic lens. I think it's always important to know, like, if we're going to move forward, what are some of the things that got us here? Yeah, and I want to talk about with you. I think you and I are very similar where we're we've been in the business world, we've been in hospitality, we've been in the wellness, whatever that means world, and we've purposely left all of that to now do things that we do where we are bridging right, like integrated spirituality, but we are working with people who are leaders in business and doing things that are really cool in the world, in arts. And we've also why I love you. It was like we take all of that while also speaking our mind, yeah, politically and things are happening in the real world. So kind of like, we're gonna cover a little bit of like, why this is important to address all this as a holistic thing. And then I want to talk about some of the archetypes that I think you and I embody, or we're aiming to, and at least, like, in our teachings and our yapping about that's kind of like a through line, a little bit to, like, get us from where we're at right now to, I hope, like, the world that we're building, yeah, and then we'll just Yap everything in between. I love I'm here. So something that, like, I think we're very similar in a lot of like, again, we worked in the New York City, the hub bub, and we've seen a lot of kind of what's being revealed right now, whether it's like the Epstein files, a predator class, you know, the Diddy, all the diddies, yes, the like, billionaire gross, just like, just a predator class, the Epstein class. Yeah, we had a front row seat to that. Oh yes. Oh yeah.

Unknown: 4:57

So can you tie the backstage and

Madi Murphy: 4:59

a back? You had a bat, you had a backstage seat, which is the craziest. CF, so can you tell me a little bit about just, like, again, we're just yapping here. I'm just, like, a clear cut, like, interview question. But in terms of like, this moment that we're in, I'm going to talk about one of my favorite, my E word in a moment. But in terms of, like, how we got here, do you see any patterns or things that you just want to kind of call out? Or, like, your first reaction to some of this stuff becoming more mainstream, because you are someone who I feel like has held this information for well over probably, like almost two, almost two decades, I would say, by now, right? Yeah, just tell me a little bit like, just. That personal storytelling of like how it feels to be in a moment where the collective is kind of

Amanda Baudier: 5:41

catching up. Yeah. So just for those that don't know, I worked in nightlife hospitality. Was a partner in a global hospitality firm in the early 2000s to mid 2000s so I wasn't like an actual predator. I was just creating, you know, experiences, luxury, experiences, parties, events that catered to the diddies the Epstein's, kind of like everyone in that world. And as a very, very young I got into the industry at 19. I come from a very middle class family, no connections, no you know, parents kind of putting me on in terms of my career. And so getting into that world was, on the one hand, a golden ticket. And it was also like an entry into the dark side. It is dark. It is dark in terms of what is happening. It is dark in terms of the very like surface level communication that is happening, and how people are described, how classes of people are described, how women are talked about. But there is also, from an energetic sense, there is a hovering darkness that is also something that will seep into you the more time that you spend with it. So when I was in my teens and 20s, I was in the hottest clubs with all the celebrities behind the velvet robes, opening the velvet robes arm and arm with Beyonce. But I was also drinking, doing a lot of drugs, and I got dark, like my actual energy got quite dark and glamored, right? If anybody watched True Blood, you know, when vampires glamor you this is what happens in that dark world. But in my, you know, younger than, thank God, in my mid 20s, I started to realize, like, wow, like, this is not in alignment my values. This is, you know, I would see Oscar winners and Grammy winners out at like, four o'clock in the morning with, like, paid women doing cocaine. And I'm like, Well, gosh, if they're not happy. Like, this isn't joy.

Unknown: 7:27

This is peak aspiration, right?

Amanda Baudier: 7:29

Like, yeah, I remember being like, 22 and like, like, having to help Axl Rose, who was like, passed out into his cake at G spa. Remember that place? It was, like, really sad and weird, and I just remember it started to distance me from what is success? What are we working towards? Who do we want to be? Yeah, I don't want to be these motherfuckers. But like, you got a billion dollars and you're flying me on your private plane, the random girl that runs the parties at the nightclub where you go, Where are your friends? Where's your partner? Like, what like? Because I literally was flown on g5 plane to Vegas. Here's money. Go shopping at Bulgaria. I'm like, what like? I'm doing it. But at the same time, I'm like, wise enough to be like, This is so strange and creepy and like, luckily, my guardian angels have told me that they were on high alert. I was never preditized, right? Like I never, and I also think, because I'm tough bitch, like, you know, I don't give, like, fuck with me energy. But I saw I had a, you know, front row seat. And so when I kind of separated myself from that world, nobody wants to have their bubbles burst. Nobody wants to hear that their heroes are not heroes. Nobody wants, nobody you know Jim Carrey, who may or may not be a clone now, had a quote that was circulating for a while that was like, gosh, I hope everybody in the world gets all the money, all the success, all the fame once in their life, so that they can be like, Oh, this actually, this ain't shit, right? I wrote something a while back called the dark side of clout chasing, and I was very successful at Cloud chasing for a girl that's like, you know, average appearance, like, no family connections, not a lot of money. Like, I don't know how I did it, but I got into the upper echelons of these rooms that people are like, Oh my god, VIP at the club with Ba, ba, ba. I'm like, Yeah, been to white parties, you know what I mean. And it is an unsatiable desire for at the end of the day, worth to matter. But when you keep chasing a solution that is not real, you will chase it and chase it and chase it until you become somebody that you do not recognize, like, I don't I'm not somebody that goes into like, oh, it's demonic possession. It's this, it's that, like, maybe, I don't know, but if you look at the behaviors of people like Diddy, if you look at the behaviors of these people that are coming out, it is clear that they got latched into something, and they kept pulling and pulling and pulling and pulling and pulling and pulling and pulling, and all of a sudden they are something that feels very far from like what a normal human would engage in. And I watched that happen, even if you go to a club and you stay there and you're kind of coherent from like 10 until four in the morning, which I was a lot, because I was, you know, running shit. You watch people go from like human to something akin to another energy. You don't believe something until you see it. You really have to be beat over the head with information. And for me, like I didn't incarnate on this planet, to be like somebody that's a participant in call out culture, I think it can bring a lot of not kind energy towards you. And I got kids, I got a life like, I'll answer any question. I tell the truth, but I wasn't the one that was gonna be the reckoning, right? And so for me, it's like I was already doing the things and being the person and presenting the learnings that were a little bit more grounded, a little bit more balanced. You could have got on this train 25 data points ago, right? And said, Oh, that over there? No, I don't want to participate. I'm going to do what Amanda's doing. If you weren't ready. I'm not here to, like, you know, force you into some sort of path that you're not ready to see. So for me, it's sort of like, Great catch up. It's time. Fuck those guys. It's time.

Madi Murphy: 11:09

And I love Priscilla. Thank you for sharing all that. And I think it's just, I'm just a big fan of the storytelling. I think we have so much, like, you know, think pieces and yeah, all this stuff nowadays, we're like, okay, but I think lived experience will show us and also show us that there is a way out and through. Because clearly, like, You were almost like, could have gotten I was, like, on that track, but it's like, one foot in, and then totally something came back, and something that you said, like, this bubble that these people are in on this thing, that they're chasing that, like, yeah, or even that shift. I remember being out at a party in the Hamptons one time, and I was sober, and I remember telling my sister, as the night went on, and again, all the people you'd imagine, the hobnobbers, elite people of entertainment and finance and fashion. And remember telling my sister, like, from Harry Potter, I was like, there's like Dementors here. Like, totally, there's like a Dementors coming in. Like, energetically, I felt it with the more alcohol and drugs and the way people were being treated, and so what were is interesting? Like, my brain, in some ways, is so good at Surrendering just being like, things are happening. We're moving through this time. But then maybe it's my other part of me, my inner Virgo New Yorker, that does look for, like, words or a concept, something to understand, like, what are we up against? Because I think that's really important with knowing, like, how we move through this, yeah, calling things out, yeah, everything that you were describing to me is my, like, a new favorite, like, buzzword, with just me, my own thoughts, and a

Unknown: 12:29

few of us on thread, and a few

Madi Murphy: 12:31

of us on thread, that is great. That's just like, where I go, like, how a comedian goes, like, test things out with a small club. I'm like, club circuit. I'm like, what do we think about this word, egregore? Does anybody know about this? And then, of course, like, lights up. I'm like, Okay, we're striking a nerve,

Amanda Baudier: 12:45

like a niche. It's like Reddit for more mainstream people. Yes.

Madi Murphy: 12:49

I'm like, Okay, so a few months ago, my cousin, it was in, like, September, October, we met for lunch, and she's a deep Scorpio spirit in the shamanic path. And she's like, her mom passed away a few years ago, and her mom was both of our very deep, like, spiritual teachers. And she's like, for my mom passed, she brought up this word that I haven't thought of in a long time, and then I couldn't remember the word until, like, two days ago, she gets this word Igor bore, and she was like, I went, we went to this, I won't name the person, but it was a spiritual teacher, and they were doing some sort of breath work thing, and her mom was a Scorpio stellium. Goes, we're out of here. This guy is cultivating an unhealthy egregore. So my cousin's like, what is it? And essentially, it's a collective energy body that comes from our consciousness that creates its own form. And they can be good or bad. And then more I started digging on it. I was like, oh, like, We're with igros all the time. It's like, Santa is an igrobore. It's like, we all know what Santa is. There's a culture around it. There's an understanding, okay, cover your ears at home, children, like, we know Santa isn't real. Kicker, but things like, what you said, Success, yeah, isn't I Gregor, the American dream isn't even like. I was thinking about this America, America. I was like, how did we come on the scene as the youngest, most like brand country, and come in just being like, we're the best. We are excellence. We are first.

Unknown: 14:19

We are like,

Madi Murphy: 14:21

we are, we are a living, breathing, I Gore, and then we are fed off of I almost see America as like, two Egregores, like one there is, there's amazing people here. We have, like, you know, the potentiality, like a high consciousness on this country, the dream, you know, freedom, people coming together, melting pot, like this big, beautiful, the Earth, the you know, the land people, as indigenous people knew before, like a beautiful land, a steward, but then we have, like, the E Gregor that America was actually built on. And I say this because everything you're talking about, I think what's happening now is, what I'm watching in conversations, is people are freaking out because so much is being exposed. But the thing that I get solace in that might, I don't know if it's gonna comfort or freak people out, but I'm like, this has been happening. Oh, been like, yeah, not just like, yeah, it's not coming out now. Didn't just start even when we were kids. Yeah. We can go all back to, like, Constantine and starting the church and patriarchal society, but this country was founded on everything that we're looking at like right now, violence, distraction, genocide, racism, traffic, human trafficking, like, racism, sexism, like, and it's almost like hard again. Some people be like, No, the American dream. And like, well, that's one of them. Yeah, but the actual American dream, I mean, first thing we know genocide, yeah. And the other thing was, oh, immediate separation of, and I think the the ego Gores of racism and sexism and, like, you know, these really violent ego Gores are so strong because they're also wrapped up in in power, yeah. Like, if we can blame these people, you can have more power, right? You, right? You don't have this because of this is not happening, right? Or if you go along with this, and I love that you brought up in one of your sub stacks and your conversation just now, what I sort of want to invite people into is like, this might seem intense, but like, it's been there the whole time, like a like a fog over our nation, over our lives, and it's like a toxic air that we've all breathed. And what I think is cool about this moment is I think about a lot of like, this intersection of like the spiritual world and practical world. And I see why for so long, the spiritual community was like, let's not get involved in politics. Let's not feed the fear. I think what they were trying, and I'm gonna give them a lot of grace, yeah, because I'm about, I know opposite. I'm like, maybe the people who first honed into this, like, in the 70s or 80s or something, were like, Oh, this i Gregor, and we're going to talk about, I think Trump is one of the most masters of like working with these egorgores. I understand why, in concept, me, if we're like, Oh, if we don't feed this, we don't feed this energy, we do something different. We're not We're not partaking in it. But what happens is, I realize that thoughts feed egors, our actions feed them, but actually our silence and like ignorant, like willful ignorance, yeah, also feeds the Eiger

Amanda Baudier: 17:25

Gores well. And, you know, I've said before, and I'm not anti manifestation, like, I think manifestation is real and like a worthy use of time, but if your entire spiritual path and purpose is directed towards manifestation, then you're not using your intrinsic spiritual aptitudes, energies, motivation towards more collective goodwill. And to be clear, there have been many different types of spiritual communities, but like, if we're talking about the sort of like New Age, like typical, like New Age, Western spirituality, the egregore that they built was absolutely ungrounded and floating sort of above problems, yes, in a way that was only necessitated by privilege, right? If you have the privilege to float above the actual reality that is inflicted upon people, and that people are unable to, like, navigate out of then, sure, you can just love and light and peace and love and go dance in a field. I mean, it's interesting, because when I study, you know, some of these kind of, like early teachers, it's like, what do they have in common? Oh, they all came from, like, moneyed, educated, you know, backgrounds like Ram Dass is one of my greatest heroes. But like, he was able to do what he did because he had, like, a lawyer dad, and, like, whatever, you know, had all this, like, this family money, and so I think that, like, what they were trying to create was beneficial on an individual spiritual level, rather than on a collective spiritual level, and that's why it wasn't actually effective at doing shit, right? Because they're even when you are deeply and Ram Dass came to this later in his life, right? Where he was like, oh shit, no, it's service, right? Like the shit he's famous for is his very individualistic psychedelics be her now, blah, blah, blah, that like individual spiritual path. But if you look at what he did with the later half of his life, it was all giving back service, working with people that were dying, etc, etc. And so I think, like, there's equigores You could look at and be like, Oh, that's evil. And then there's ones that you could look at and be like, That's not positive. It's maybe it's not evil, but it is perhaps negative in its neutrality,

Madi Murphy: 19:31

in its neutrality. And I think that's where, again, even back to the I think about the USA is like birth chart a lot. And again, like, there's no good or bad birth chart, but there's just how we use the octave between the low and higher consciousness, right? And so much of our birth chart could be like, protective, tribalistic, you know, ethnocentric, like and varied in this rugged individualism, yeah, which is like, why that first shot of spirituality? It's like, individual like, like, for me. And then we realize that as these like, ego Gores affect people more and more, the divide between, again, like, what these more harmful, toxic egos are doing? Yeah, no one is better, even the people who should be benefiting from them. And let's just like, you know, white straight men, it's like, they're not. They're not no one. It's just trying to, like, manifest and put lipstick over like an actual flaming pile of shit, where you're like, This is not really doing what it used to. That's what people even few years ago, started coming to me, like, I did it. I manifested the things. But I still feel like hollow and empty, and I'm like, we need to. Step into a returning and we're going to talk about that. But one thing that I just want to offer people, and one thing that I think is really cool, especially about knowing astrology and energy and actually all the spiritual tools that you've used personally, if anyone here has learned about healing your nervous system or has your spiritual truisms that you like, like choosing faith over fear or faith in it till you make it or like it will all work out, because I am crazy, all the things that we have learned on a personal level of healing are actually part of how we're healing. It's like we're gonna create, in my opinion, a new ego Gore, yeah, like, just like we talk about things happening and we're have certain levels and ideas of success like you brought up before, I feel like our time now is to create a new egore of like, yeah, matriarchy, of justice, of love. And I'm gonna talk about that for a second. But I do think the thing that is where I see eye to eye on you a lot of stuff, is like, we don't all have to become, you know, political activists, where we know every single policy, every something, but if we don't call out the shit as we see it, fascism, yeah, like, what is happening with ice in our country? Like, what is happening genocide? Like it is, like we are again trying to cover, like, almost those feel like arrows to pierce a certain egregore. You don't have to live in that space of like rage and overwhelm, and you don't even have to again, become a full blown political researcher and commentator. But politics isn't what it used to be. We're not saying, Oh, do you know about this? Right? Yeah, what this policy is for taxes that go to roads, right? That's what politics used to be, yeah, now we are talking about humanity, right, human rights, yeah, treating life and people with an understanding that all is sacred. And if you can't pull back an arrow and just say that and name it, yeah, to me, you're participating, yeah, in not only the Eco Gore but your own personal harm that's going to come your way?

Amanda Baudier: 22:39

Yeah, and I think it's important to name that because of social media, and particularly because of algorithmic social media. We are all living and like, if the word egregore feels, you know, heady, it's like collective groupthink thought forms every time that you participate in a trend, every time that you're like, Oh, I saw this, so I'm going to do it too. You are participating in an egregore that, on the one hand, you could see, is being very much manufactured to distract us from other ways of thinking, being and moving in the world that would be more beneficial to breaking down. So it's like the the bread and circuses thing, right? I think it was in Rome they said, We'll give the we'll give the peasants bread and circuses that will distract them from becoming, you know, politically vocal, starting revolution, etc, etc. And so what we've been given is reality TV algorithms that really tickle us in a way that is quite glamoring. Once again, we're hypnotized by these things, and so we like, I see this, and not everyone is going to be watching this. I'll explain what I'm doing visually, but I really see that all of these egos are kind of floating up, maybe, like right above our crown chakras, right? And so when we are not rooted, yes, when we are not rooted, it's like we are ripe for the plucking. Yes, yeah. And so you know, when you talk about Doom scrolling, I mean Doom scrolling is like the portal to the egregore, and you don't know which one you're going to fall into. It's going into, I'm going into a portal, and I don't know which one. Why would you do that? It is like, I'm going to go down this dangerous alley and I don't know what I'm going to find down there, but I'm gonna go and then all of a sudden you're like, oh my god, I watched plastic surgery before and after for three hours, and now I hate myself. Or, oh my god, I followed this girl that I hated in high school, and I now I know everything about her family. What I did right? Like you're getting sucked into these ego cores because you aren't rooted in your own sense of No, this is what I want to think about. And if you are not consciously choosing your thoughts, somebody out there is going to choose them for you, and you don't even realize they're not yours. Yes, people will say stuff to me. I'm like, those aren't your words. That's not you. What are you talking about? You saw that on the internet. You now are saying it, regurgitating it. You have not even passed it through the filter of your own internal knowing, and now it's your personality, yeah, what the fuck like? Why it

Madi Murphy: 25:02

Yeah, it's great. And now you're living in a reality projected from that yes, and that should Cray, yeah, that should cray. And we don't want that for each other. And I think it is interesting that every time in our history of society that there's been some sort of, like, bread and circuses. But I think about whenever we've had a class consciousness awakening, something happens to, like, divide us again, right? Like, I'm looking at you, Gloria Steinem CIA, but like, we'll just continue on here. But like, so I think as we shift now, first of all, I think we have to acknowledge where, whether. It or not we're trying to be harmful. We've all absorbed some of this group thing. We've all absorbed something like, I am wearing this shirt today, twerking against tyranny by creator I love Tony Nagy. I think her last name is pronounced. And she was like, listen, the epi files are so intense, but we all need to sit and think about, like, where do we carry the Epstein file within us? Like, where do we unconsciously act out something that is not, maybe as extreme, hopefully, as that. But you know, you mentioned clout chasing before, yeah, and you had such a good reel A while ago, and you were like, see what happens with clout chasing, whether it's Peter Atia or, like, these people come in, they're just like, oh, access to this world means I can. And you're like, at what cost, right? And I think about like the things that we all sort of opt into, again, around this, like, false vision of success is created so we will, like, unconsciously participate in systems of harm, or, like, even sell off our soul in little like pieces. Like we're not selling the whole chunk, but we're like, leasing out parts. And this is a moment in time where I think we're all it's so destabilizing. Yeah, everything, the systems, the structures, everything is going through a collapse. But to me, I think what people like you and I who have gone through a versions of this early, early, yeah, I mean, we spun out. I spun out about this years. I remember being in my basement just being like, Oh my God. Like having this dark night of this whole ego death of like everything I was working for meant nothing. I felt so alone. I felt isolated. I felt confused, but now on the other side. And again, we're still going through it, but this feeling of, actually, like, so liberating, because all that stuff is at best, junk food for the soul at worst. Yeah, rat poison. Yeah, totally that you're consuming. So as we start to, like, move, if someone is listening to this, and like, okay, but like, now what do I do you and I think both, like archetypes, and there's an archetype I'm working with a lot, an archetype you're working with a lot. And I think they actually, really, they shake hands emojis,

Unknown: 27:43

Betty and Veronica. Betty.

Madi Murphy: 27:47

Betty, Veronica. Okay, okay, Betty and Veronica. Like spiritual warrior edition, that we're coming up. Okay, so tell us about like, and I think these two go hand in hand. My archetype is sacred party girl, which is very much why we connected to totally and your tell us about your archetype that you just wrote about

Amanda Baudier: 28:03

on substack, the wise wild woman. So when I think about the wise wild woman, she is inherently rebellious, but not a rebel without a cause. She's someone who sees clearly through her own eyes. Passes every piece of information she receives through her own embodied wisdom, and says yes or no and stands on that business. So there is an intentionality, there is an autonomy, right, like I am the boss of my own experience. There is a rootedness of like I'm not moving if I don't want to move. And with that, there is a freedom, because what we don't realize, and something that I people don't want to hear a lot of the shit I have to say, because it's not that sexy, it's not that fun, I know, and it's like, really Amanda, another Debbie downer, but like, everyone wants to talk about how their nervous system is so dysregulated. And yes, this is true, but maybe that's your soul. Your soul is crying out. You're giving your soul junk food, junk food, junk food. I'm manifesting. I'm going to this Pilates class. I got my new eyebrows. I whatever, shot my face up. Look how pretty I am, right? Whatever. And you're like, but it didn't work, but it didn't work, but it didn't work. No, it didn't work because you are feeding junk food when you need soul food. And so the things that our soul craves are so many of them are intangible. They're all quite un fancy. Most of them are free, and a lot of it has to do with nature, the earth, time, breath, quiet. It's all of these things that you're like, Duh, yeah, of course. But nobody does it. I was just on a call earlier today with these two guys, founders of a big AI company, sort of anti AI. But I really love these guys. And like, you know, we're talking about how they gonna make all these complex things. And the guy's like, I think really just need to start going for walks. And I'm like, Yeah, bro, go for walks. Like you're a mammal. We are mammals, living like robots, yeah, and so the wild wise woman, she is not new, she's ancient. Yes, this information. And it's like, I know that there's, like, some, some great, great, great grandmothers up there being like, come up with it. They're like, look at these girls. I came up with this in your BC, right? Like, do you know what I'm saying, but it is a return, and it is, it's so funny. Like, I was thinking before I was on here. I'm like, I'm like, the most boring rebel, like, I'm so rebellious, but in all the most boring ways, I'm like, I don't watch reality TV. Yeah, I don't, you know, I

Madi Murphy: 30:35

make a lot of cool like. Punk rock shirts. Like, I've never seen an episode of Real Housewives. I don't

Amanda Baudier: 30:40

wear uncomfortable shoes, right? Like, oh my god, I curse when I feel, you know, like I don't go places where I don't feel like I want to go, right? It's like, these very simple, boring things, but on the bright side, and this is a bright side. It's like, you get to this point where you're like, Oh my God. I thought I had to spend this I thought I had to do that. I thought I had to follow this person, right? The internet is full of people who want to convince you that they are the solution when the only solution is you. Period, full stop. That's it. And so, like, that's empowering, right? It's empowering. But the problem is, is that it is not it. Like I talk a lot about how quick fix is, we all want a quick fix. Oh, that was my second to most recent sub sack. There are no quick fixes, and we're all gonna die. That was the title.

Unknown: 31:37

Very light and airy, but I'm happy.

Amanda Baudier: 31:39

I'm like, the happiest person, you know. But it's true.

Madi Murphy: 31:41

It's no, it's not like a weekend course or a five step and I think, I think some, I think we're waking up to that. And like you said, like we have number years ago, I was like, I really want to teach women about like, I feel like, if women especially, could be anchored in these three principles. And I wrote about them in the intro to my book. Then I'm like, and I feel like a lot of unhealthy systems would collapse, and we would, I didn't have words for it, but I'm like, I think we would create a new society. And it was like, if we could really choose self love over self loathing, and I don't mean like, like, self love to the point where you can say no when something's Yeah, self love is action to be like word. I don't need all of the to pay all this money to be this way. I don't need to say yes to this relationship that I know is harming me. I don't have to, like, I was like, really, like, choosing self love over self clothing and with what you just said is, and this was really in the early days of Instagram, I remember thinking about if we could really hone into intuition over influence. And then, as I wrote years later, I was like, well, now there's a whole very big industry of people who are literally, it's not even hidden anymore. It's in plain sight, like people are trying to influence you, who you need to be, how you need to look, what your body is, what your routine is. And like, almost in the No, no, that's what I love. Almost like, blissfully, sometimes I'm like, Oh, I'm really, like, I'm really in a my intuitive bubble right here. I'm like, what's going on? Like, should I be? Oh no. Like, nope, not for me. And what that does, like, what that intelligence and what that confidence and what that inner like, GPS, and it really makes you so intolerant to bullshit. And the third thing, why this is these letters. I'm like, I think about them as sip, self, love, intuition, and then choosing pleasure over pressure, like, I think especially, we talked for about the spiritual community being taken out of humanity, out of politics, out of social justice, out of human rights. It was very smart, because we're a very strong when we want to be the New Age community, we have all the tools. Yeah, we know how to actually really like this is not just how I'm like, a spiritual battle we're in, yeah, and likewise, taking women out of the equation by distracting them with the self loathing, the influence and the pressure, while telling them to stay out of politics. Well, not to be a bitch, well, not to be uncomfortable or, you know, be loud or mouthy, whatever these things are, stay in your place. I'm like, that was so genius, because these are two groups, yeah, who hold such energetic potency, right? And so to return to pleasure is part of like I love the wise, wild woman was actually after my first really toxic job, right? Got a front row seat to Whoa, misogyny, patriarchy. We had an actual sales training that was called how to use your feminine wiles to close a deal. I wish I saved that printout. Oh, my God. It was like it was 2006 so pre app, you know, 2006 was a girl. It was like, the

Unknown: 34:31

year I graduated college was the last Exactly.

Madi Murphy: 34:34

It was like, Okay. And I left that and I remember telling my parents, I need to go, and I use the term rewild. And they were like, What does that even mean? I need to go and move to Costa Rica to teach English. And I'm like, I just want to be with plants and the earth, and that's it. Because, like, what you're describing, I had this feeling of like that was all so fake, that was so made up, and to connect back into myself and the archetype that I want to pour in for people like the wise, wild woman and someone's like, again, the shaking the hands, that's like, rooted and grounded and like rebel with the cost energy. And I feel like your gift you talked about is, like, grounding people during this time. And I really see that, yeah. And I want to offer is, like, a way to, like, wrap up this podcast is to say that like, I also want to remind people that, like, you can have fun. Oh, yeah. And this could feel good. We have to call out the bullshit. We have to, like, wear our ice whistles. We have to not shut up about the Epstein files. We have to, like, take it to the streets. We have to vote with our dollar. We have to, like, stop using AI for every single little thing. But we also have to be like this. Revolution is a reimagining, and we need to do it with, like, joy and connection, yeah, and going out of our comfort zone. Because I think part of the past few years, at least since covid, is everyone's world has gotten very small, as we like, protect our peace and even the spiritual community. It's like, boundaries, or if I don't want to go, I don't go, and you're like, What is your best friends ready? Right, right? Like, maybe I know you're tight, yeah, but being adults human is being Tai, Tai, yeah, sometimes good to go out and remember why life is worth living and tap into like, our imagination again, and nature and like, and so I just invite people to think about like as we move through and kind of form this new eco Gorm. You could do a whole follow up episode about, like, what that looks like, and also following indigenous creators, and I'll link some of the show notes that I love that have been doing this. Like you said, this is nothing new, yeah, yeah. Like, we're in Pluto and Aquarius right now, and everyone's talking about it is AI, it is tech. But actually, Pluto and Aquarius is bringing ancient wisdom into the future like these things, like you said, we're not reinventing the wheel, but now that we've gone on the full journey of what we see, what humans can do, now we're like we actually have to return to the ancient wisdom to push us forward. And there is so much like to tap into there with both of these archetypes, but I just want people to think about like as you're moving through that there's so much that's just going to continue to happen. And I will say I have so much faith and so much excitement for where we're headed, but these two archetypes, I think, are how we begin to pierce the blood, pierce the old groupthink, while embodying with our actions and our values and living from the inside out, yeah, the new world that we're birthing, right?

Amanda Baudier: 37:25

Yeah? And I, just because I love, I love to give a tangible takeaway, yeah, in my spiritual community, we've been talking about rootedness a lot, so I developed this system called the four pillars of rootedness. Oh, I love and I actually kind of designed it like a medicine wheel. So it's like, you know what's in the east, south, west and north. So the four pillars are self and body, right? Connection to our self, our nervous system, how our body feels, connection to the earth and nature, connection to community and humanity. Pillar three, and then connection to spirit and ancestors. And the reason why I find these to be helpful is because, first of all, all of them are self contained. You don't need me. We don't need you. You don't need anyone else but yourself and your own intention and energy to participate in finding a greater sense of rootedness, which is right, unplugging from the Matrix. Not let you know, everyone's talking about energy harvesting, right? So this is like taking your energy back from anyone that would have, you know, harvested it, that you can completely do in a self contained way. But it is also like, you know, in the moments when you're feeling destabilized, when you're feeling shaky, you could literally be like, okay, which pillar do I feel the most depleted in? And how could I find a simple thing? And, like, literally, these big tech founders, oh, I just need to go for a walk. Yeah, yeah. Like, it is. It is not that simple. But it also is, if you can believe that, like watching 25 more tick tocks about your this, you're not

Madi Murphy: 38:54

always easy or what you want to hear, but it is simple, actually simple.

Amanda Baudier: 38:57

It's simple. It is, like, the most simple stuff. And, you know, the other thing, like, I can say this about you, without you being like, I'm bragging right. Like, as much as you know, you have this sacred party girl, this sacred party girl energy. It's like, Yeah, but you're not just having your fun sacred. Like, there are so many, like, I bristle at 95% of the spiritual leaders on social media because they are in their own worlds. They want to create their own igregore and pull you into it and let that be your religion, right? Yeah. So, like, you could have created a brand called the sacred party girl, and it's like we're manifesting, we're praying, we're dancing. But like, whatever you know, right? Or, like, there is a lot of women, and I hate to say it because, bless them all, but like, who are, like wild, wise women, but they're, once again, in their own little Yoni, steaming and dressing in all white, and like, going to Peru over and over and drink. I don't do plant medicine, by the way. I'm not that type of wild woman, right, going and drinking Ayahuasca and, like, don't even know about the indigenous cultures that they're stealing from it. Yeah, right. So like, these archetypes, even in and of themselves, absolutely, can be twisted to be individualistic and be self serving, and honestly, put you back to sleep. Like, people talk about waking up, and they're like, I'm so awake, it's like, well, if you were awake you would be screaming about Palestine. If you were awake you would be raging about Lebanon. You would be like, you would be like, there's no way that you can actually be awake and not feeling that sense of connectivity to all beings, including the Earth. Life The planet is being destroyed all of the time. That's a physical pain that we feel because we are part of nature when our brothers and sisters in other parts of the world are being killed for sport at this point. Sorry for anyone listening, but they're being killed for sport. There is no reason for most of these quote, unquote, missions that we are engaging in militaristically. It's like that should affect you, because you're that's part of you, yeah? And so like using these spiritual tools to re edify that sense of connectivity, we think it's going to make us feel worse, but it's actually going to make us feel better. It's going to make us feel more whole, yeah, because that's what we came here to be, absolutely not fucking bobbleheads on the internet.

Madi Murphy: 41:22

No. And like how you pointed that out that, like a lot of the spiritual community are creating its own, you could go, that's what my aunt was picking up on that one session of like, this was, this isn't being used, right? So, yeah, the discernment right now, which, again, comes from being rooted in your body, but also alive and attuned. And I think, like, when you're just, I was like, it is a time for being, like, just aware, in tune. And if you're awake, it does feel harder at first, because you're like, ripping the band aid off. You're not numb, you're not on drugs anymore. You're not, yeah, but you're but you're also like, Oh, I'm fully alive, and actually, we have so much more support. That's what I realized. Like, I remember going into a meditation and being like, I mean, this was after I read Layla F Saad, dear spiritual white letter, which called me out and humbled me really hard, because my first wave of, like, spiritual feminism, and I was like, this is I need to go back in and do a lot of work here and reading and learning. Shout out, Layla, the best read and best read of all time. But what it did was crack me open to realize and like, oh, I have so much more agency in this. And there's so many people, ancestors, like in the lineage, who are here to teach us about this. Audre Lorde, right? Like, learn. Like, Oh, we don't need to, like, you know, Assata Shakur, I don't need to reinvent the wheel. I can, like, look at these teachings. And the same thing I'm gonna say is, I think I'm telling everyone with the earth like we are so connected to her, and, like, realizing that my favorite late like, hot tip for everyone. I'm like, if you're mad at whether it's like, this administration, you know that, like, ecocidal, genocidal corporations, whoever people in Epstein files. I'm like, Just tell a tree on them, yeah? Like, this. Like, I feel like the Earth has been waiting. Like, hey, we've been watching all this. Yeah? We just need some collaboration right now. Like, right? We have so much wisdom. We have so much to like, I'm like, like, we want to be a part of this with you. You know, I'm with it, you know? So if you catch me just ranting to a tree like in Washington Square Park, that's what I'm doing.

Amanda Baudier: 43:22

Okay, yeah, no. I mean, you know, I live on 20 acres in the mountains. I back onto a state park, and I have different trees that I go to for different things, yes, and they support me. No, they, they support my whole they hold us all down.

Madi Murphy: 43:35

Yeah, that's what's so cool, is the opening up does feel like you said at once, whoop, like that's a lot to feel right now. But then it's also how much like invisible, quote, unquote support that we actually have.

Amanda Baudier: 43:47

And I have to say that. I want you to use what we're saying and these tools to not think, wow, Maddie so smart and so cool, or Amanda's so smart and so cool. I want you to use them and say, oh, I need to develop the capacity to be my own thinker, my own leader, my own feeler, my own sensor, right? Like, these are not these are hard. Want, like, being able to even, like, speak to a tree, like all of this spiritual stuff, it comes from being in the work yourself and then realizing that we all came here to be autonomous spiritual beings with direct connection to all of those resources, our ancestors, our spirits, the earth, each other, and the second that you think that it's them, you have already done yourself a disservice. And I will say that till I'm blue in the face. I just want everyone. If you're feeling disempowered and you need support. Find teachers, find coaches, find people that are in integrity and absolutely learn from them, follow them, get tools and practices. But it's like, if your bag feels empty, you're not just like, jumping in their bag. You're like, I'm gonna just slowly fill my bag until my bag is so heavy. I'm like, it's just me and God, rocking to the deaf. Like, that's how I feel, like I don't need I am an autonomous being. And it came through hard won work. And I do believe that's what we're all here to do, absolutely,

Madi Murphy: 45:07

absolutely, I would say the hard times, the hard work cracks open, the heart work, and then you're like, none of this information that we've shared today had came through like a light and fluffy path. At least for me, it was like screaming in my car, curled up in the fetal position, crying in the shower, feeling like lost in the sauce, but then you stick with it, and that's a direct revelation, direct and that's part of what this time is, is like, that's what we're meant to do. All these other things were designed to take us out of our power. So as we wrap up here, I. So hard to talk to you for only an hour, good goddess. But where can people find you? And do you have anything fun coming down the pike for people wanna maybe experience all of this?

Amanda Baudier: 45:46

Yeah. So I am the founder of a community called the becoming collective. We meet live every Sunday night virtually. I'm actually meeting people in real life tonight, but we meet every Sunday night for a mix of spiritual wisdom, somatic practices, I teach transformational trauma, informed breath work, the third Sunday of every month and the fourth Sunday of every month, people just come on and ask me questions. So it's like community coaching, and it is rooted. It is real. It is so applicable to your life. I see it as like a little life raft for the members. So best place you can find me is becoming dash collective.com or at becoming underscore, collective underscore. We'll link it. You know, they had to put some underscores in there. And in terms of fun stuff coming up, I'm leading a retreat to the Catskills in May, which is called the recalibration retreat. So you can think about it as like unplugging from the eager Gores, unplugging from the group thing. Yes, unplugging from the technology, plugging back into Earth and self and community and truth, so that you can move forward from a place of, oh, I'm choosing this. This came from my brain. This came from my soul. This is my life. This is my path. Instead of what are they doing? Oh, they're always, you do this, no, so we're recalibrating people in nature where I live, because I love it. It's my my greatest teacher,

Madi Murphy: 47:05

the greatest teacher, and a time like that, in person with you, I think could be one of the biggest gifts give someone. Because, yeah, it's recalibration, it's attunement. And I always find it weekends after like, the people in nature that sort of intention, it affects you in ways you don't even realize, like, yeah, unloading weight you know you're carrying, yeah, regaining energy you didn't know, zapped, and having a whole new lease outlook on life. So I highly, highly recommend that. And I think the in person connection and experiences are again, one of the biggest pieces of medicine, like anchor into right now. So thank you so much. This was so amazing. Could Talk so hard.

Unknown: 47:43

It was. The only thing I was a struggle about today was just knowing to be an hour like, don't I want to just click on that window and go on down those pop ups, but we shall. We'll do it again. We shall in nature. Next time in nature. Thank you. Amanda. I.